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Reddit listed their opinion of 10 movies that ruined a franchise, including Jurassic World and The Avengers

Fans are finding Star Wars, Marvel and other underachieving franchises to be unappealing and disappointing.

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Fans of the Predator franchise are pleased with the latest installment, Prey, which premiered on Hulu earlier this month and tells the story of the Predator’s origins in the context of a hunt against the Comanche tribe hundreds of years ago. Fans of long-running film series can be hard to please, even if the early reviews are positive.

Fans of a franchise may lose interest in the series altogether if subsequent installments are bad. Even one bad film can completely alter a fan’s opinion of a franchise, whether the story is rendered ineffectual or canon characters are rewritten. Movies like these are frustrating to fans and alter their impressions of otherwise excellent film series.

A Third Time Is a Charm in Shrek

After King Harold dies, Shrek, Donkey, and Puss in Boots set out to find a teenager to rule the kingdom in his stead in Shrek 3. Fans aren’t fond of the clumsy plotting or the addition of Justin Timberlake to the voice cast. User na2awesome on Reddit says the film is “sinful.”

Without the wit of the first two films, Shrek the Third is a dull addition to the series. Plot-wise, Shrek demonstrates his inability to change despite his earlier signs of maturity. The number of witty allusions to classic tales has decreased, leaving a generic cartoon.

The Crystal Skull and the Kingdom of Indiana Jones

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is the franchise’s weakest entry overall and the fourth film overall. The plot is a muddled mess involving aliens, Russians, and nuclear explosions, despite Harrison Ford’s return as the title adventurer. Movie fan donaldtrumpshearts writes, “the first movie my dad took me to was Temple of Doom, and it doesn’t live up to the magic of the previous movies.”

Cate Blanchett’s and Shia LaBeouf’s one-note turns hurt the film. Poor dialogue provides cheesy one-liners for Ford, and it appears that there were too many script ideas to narrow down, so they all made it in. Fans have long debated whether or not Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull deserves its reputation.

The Last Jedi, a Star Wars Film

The eighth film in the Star Wars saga, The Last Jedi, has sparked a wide variety of reactions from fans. Fans are disappointed that the storyline, which alters everything from the previous films, including Luke’s behavior, as he teaches Rey the ways of the force. Fan The Last Jedi hurt my love for Star Wars,” GreatJanitor says.

In Star Wars: The Last Jedi, there are many jarring moments that viewers will not soon forget, from Rey’s natural proficiency despite having no formal training to Snoke’s return rendering the original trilogy pointless. Some fans feel completely disillusioned by the films because of the story’s failure to satisfactorily resolve their many questions and the inclusion of inconsistencies that are out of place in the franchise’s canon.

On Stranger Tides, a Pirates of the Caribbean Film

The fourth film starring Johnny Depp as Captain Jack Sparrow, Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides, was released in 2010. It’s one of the franchise’s weaker entries, unfortunately. This user of Reddit explains that the film is so bad that “my friends and I joke that it doesn’t even exist.”

Unlike previous films, this one features Penélope Cruz co-starring with the notorious pirate instead of Orlando Bloom or Keira Knightley. Characters aren’t developed enough to make viewers care about who the Fountain of Youth ends up helping. The plot does not flow naturally from the previous movies but rather seems tacked on.

An Extraterrestrial Resurgence

The military’s attempts to breed aliens in Alien: Resurrection, the fourth film in the franchise, is a weak concept. Lacking the tension of the preceeding films. As moviegoer quarkly95 puts it, “Resurrection was like a parody of the franchise, the tone just took a random dive to the left.”

Since Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) is a clone, she doesn’t act like the beloved character she was copied from, and the rest of the cast is unpleasant. Alien Resurrection is a pointless sequel that tries something new with the Alien universe that viewers didn’t ask for, complete with a ridiculous human-alien hybrid born to the Ripley clone and lots of wisecracks and corny dialogue.

Jigsaw

The death of John Kramer has changed Jigsaw, who was once considered one of the most heinous villains. With Jigsaw, the eighth film in the Saw franchise, the franchise finally reaches for new material. Film critic The68Guns says, “I didn’t even stay for the big twist.”

A new apprentice is introduced, but she hasn’t been seen or heard from in any of the previous seven films, so the plot doesn’t make much sense. The real Jigsaw killer’s traps were far more inventive and bloody than anything in this movie. The traps’ original purpose has changed from redemption to vengeance. The plot of Jigsaw’s revenge is rushed and the acting isn’t up to par, making it less engaging than the films that came before it.

Eternals

Fans were unimpressed by Eternals, the 26th installment in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which featured an ensemble cast including Angelina Jolie, Richard Madden, and Gemma Chan. Gorgeous as the film’s visuals are, the story is muddled. Although they say they don’t interfere with humans, the Eternals have clearly intervened throughout history, leaving audiences to wonder why they didn’t help Thanos and why the giant head and hand sticking out of the ocean hasn’t been addressed in recent Marvel films.

Bumpymacaroon, a Marvel fan, says, “I mean come on it was truly awful not even Angelina could save it.” Insufficient effort was put into developing the characters for the audience to care about them. Eternals fails as entertainment and serves as franchise filler due to its confusing plot points. If people choose not to see this film, it won’t be the end of the world.

Extremely Rapid and Intense

Some viewers felt that the franchise was ruined by Fast & Furious and its sequels. Dom (Vin Diesel) and Brian (Paul Walker) teaming up to track down a drug lord and exact revenge for Letty’s murder is implausible. Lots of high-speed car chases, including one in which Dom leaps from one vehicle to another at eighty miles per hour inside a mine shaft, are among the many over-the-top moments in the film.

“it started to get hilarious of how more and more unrealistic it became,” fan VoidInMyHeart says. Unrealistic action scenes detract from an otherwise meaningless story. The story isn’t well-developed, and it wastes the actors’ acting skills by making them into action heroes. It’s clear that the filmmakers stopped caring about plausibility after the fourth film.

Alterations to the Matrix

Some people who have enjoyed the Matrix movies up to this point feel completely let down by the third film. The Matrix Revolutions “put that franchise 6 feet under,” as GaryNOVA put it. The story continues where the last film left off, with Neo and Zion continuing their fight against the machines and Agent Smith. Despite its stunning visuals, this film unfortunately lacks the originality of its predecessors.

Disorienting dialogue, a lackluster climax, and a lack of interest all contribute to a story that falls short of expectations. There’s a good reason why The Matrix Revolutions was so poorly received by fans. It doesn’t advance the plot and instead feels like filler that could have been included in the follow-up movie.

Terminator: The End of the Beginning

The fourth film in the Terminator series, Terminator Salvation isn’t the fan favorite. It could have been great, but the over-the-top special effects and muddled plot doomed it to failure. As one critic puts it, “it was clear then that they didn’t know what to do with it anymore.”

The film fails to successfully continue the story without the participation of Arnold Schwarzenegger in his signature role. If the film had introduced fully fleshed-out characters in a coherent plot, it would have been a vast improvement over the original movies. This film is not recommended for series devotees.

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